Michael Loebs is Party Chair of the California National Party and a candidate for governor of California in the upcoming recall election on September 14. Michael joins me to discuss his campaign, his platform, and why he thinks the federal system of the United States does a disservice to the interests and needs of Californians. This interview was recorded on August 26, 2021. NOTES: 1. Michael Loebs campaign website; https://www.loebsforca.com/ 2. California National Party website; http://www.votecnp.org/ 3. California National Party YouTube channel; https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTPygtBmMuEeZqiFgWmQUQw MUSIC CREDIT: 1. "Sexy Sneaky Cool Groove", by PhilLarson; elements.envato.com IMAGE CREDITS: 1. Michael Loebs, used with permission